Mtgox International transfer fee question : Bitcoin
PSA: BitInstant's cash-to-bitcoin-address service is reliable, but they fudge the exchange rate; on top of the stated 3.99% fee (and unstated ZipZap fee), BitInstant has consistently marked up the exchange rate way above ($6 or so) the maximum that MtGox quotes around the time the transfer is made.
This includes any time at which the order was open.
This is a consistent markup from what I've experienced.
Everything that I've read both on and off BitInstant's web site suggests that they use MtGox directly. More to the point, BitInstant doesn't bother telling you what their exchange rate is going to be; it could be set at a markup of $200 for all you know.
UPDATE: Charlie Shrem (bitinstant) ultimately compensated me more than what I thought I was still owed, and for that I thank him; I feel that my personal matter has been satisfied amicably. I still believe that there are strange discrepancies in the data I've seen, which have not yet been accounted for, and I hope Charlie looks into it for the sake of his otherwise valuable company; I wouldn't want BitInstant to be blamed for the errors (or malice) of another party in the pipeline. In any case, I would currently still feel comfortable using BitInstant.
What fees are associated with buying bitcoins from MtGox with a bank transfer?
I was looking on the site and it seemed like there were a substantial amount of fees involved with this method. I'm looking to buy about $150 or $200 worth of bitcoins. Is a bank transfer the best way to buy from there?
Technical: A Brief History of Payment Channels: from Satoshi to Lightning Network
Who cares about political tweets from some random country's president when payment channels are a much more interesting and are actually capable of carrying value? So let's have a short history of various payment channel techs!
Generation 0: Satoshi's Broken nSequence Channels
Because Satoshi's Vision included payment channels, except his implementation sucked so hard we had to go fix it and added RBF as a by-product. Originally, the plan for nSequence was that mempools would replace any transaction spending certain inputs with another transaction spending the same inputs, but only if the nSequence field of the replacement was larger. Since 0xFFFFFFFF was the highest value that nSequence could get, this would mark a transaction as "final" and not replaceable on the mempool anymore. In fact, this "nSequence channel" I will describe is the reason why we have this weird rule about nLockTime and nSequence. nLockTime actually only works if nSequence is not 0xFFFFFFFF i.e. final. If nSequence is 0xFFFFFFFF then nLockTime is ignored, because this if the "final" version of the transaction. So what you'd do would be something like this:
You go to a bar and promise the bartender to pay by the time the bar closes. Because this is the Bitcoin universe, time is measured in blockheight, so the closing time of the bar is indicated as some future blockheight.
For your first drink, you'd make a transaction paying to the bartender for that drink, paying from some coins you have. The transaction has an nLockTime equal to the closing time of the bar, and a starting nSequence of 0. You hand over the transaction and the bartender hands you your drink.
For your succeeding drink, you'd remake the same transaction, adding the payment for that drink to the transaction output that goes to the bartender (so that output keeps getting larger, by the amount of payment), and having an nSequence that is one higher than the previous one.
Eventually you have to stop drinking. It comes down to one of two possibilities:
You drink until the bar closes. Since it is now the nLockTime indicated in the transaction, the bartender is able to broadcast the latest transaction and tells the bouncers to kick you out of the bar.
You wisely consider the state of your liver. So you re-sign the last transaction with a "final" nSequence of 0xFFFFFFFF i.e. the maximum possible value it can have. This allows the bartender to get his or her funds immediately (nLockTime is ignored if nSequence is 0xFFFFFFFF), so he or she tells the bouncers to let you out of the bar.
Now that of course is a payment channel. Individual payments (purchases of alcohol, so I guess buying coffee is not in scope for payment channels). Closing is done by creating a "final" transaction that is the sum of the individual payments. Sure there's no routing and channels are unidirectional and channels have a maximum lifetime but give Satoshi a break, he was also busy inventing Bitcoin at the time. Now if you noticed I called this kind of payment channel "broken". This is because the mempool rules are not consensus rules, and cannot be validated (nothing about the mempool can be validated onchain: I sigh every time somebody proposes "let's make block size dependent on mempool size", mempool state cannot be validated by onchain data). Fullnodes can't see all of the transactions you signed, and then validate that the final one with the maximum nSequence is the one that actually is used onchain. So you can do the below:
Become friends with Jihan Wu, because he owns >51% of the mining hashrate (he totally reorged Bitcoin to reverse the Binance hack right?).
Slip Jihan Wu some of the more interesting drinks you're ordering as an incentive to cooperate with you. So say you end up ordering 100 drinks, you split it with Jihan Wu and give him 50 of the drinks.
When the bar closes, Jihan Wu quickly calls his mining rig and tells them to mine the version of your transaction with nSequence 0. You know, that first one where you pay for only one drink.
Because fullnodes cannot validate nSequence, they'll accept even the nSequence=0 version and confirm it, immutably adding you paying for a single alcoholic drink to the blockchain.
The bartender, pissed at being cheated, takes out a shotgun from under the bar and shoots at you and Jihan Wu.
Jihan Wu uses his mystical chi powers (actually the combined exhaust from all of his mining rigs) to slow down the shotgun pellets, making them hit you as softly as petals drifting in the wind.
The bartender mutters some words, clothes ripping apart as he or she (hard to believe it could be a she but hey) turns into a bear, ready to maul you for cheating him or her of the payment for all the 100 drinks you ordered from him or her.
Steely-eyed, you stand in front of the bartender-turned-bear, daring him to touch you. You've watched Revenant, you know Leonardo di Caprio could survive a bear mauling, and if some posh actor can survive that, you know you can too. You make a pose. "Drunken troll logic attack!"
I think I got sidetracked here.
Bears are bad news.
You can't reasonably invoke "Satoshi's Vision" and simultaneously reject the Lightning Network because it's not onchain. Satoshi's Vision included a half-assed implementation of payment channels with nSequence, where the onchain transaction represented multiple logical payments, exactly what modern offchain techniques do (except modern offchain techniques actually work). nSequence (the field, but not its modern meaning) has been in Bitcoin since BitCoin For Windows Alpha 0.1.0. And its original intent was payment channels. You can't get nearer to Satoshi's Vision than being a field that Satoshi personally added to transactions on the very first public release of the BitCoin software, like srsly.
Miners can totally bypass mempool rules. In fact, the reason why nSequence has been repurposed to indicate "optional" replace-by-fee is because miners are already incentivized by the nSequence system to always follow replace-by-fee anyway. I mean, what do you think those drinks you passed to Jihan Wu are, other than the fee you pay him to mine a specific version of your transaction?
Satoshi made mistakes. The original design for nSequence is one of them. Today, we no longer use nSequence in this way. So diverging from Satoshi's original design is part and parcel of Bitcoin development, because over time, we learn new lessons that Satoshi never knew about. Satoshi was an important landmark in this technology. He will not be the last, or most important, that we will remember in the future: he will only be the first.
Incentive-compatible time-limited unidirectional channel; or, Satoshi's Vision, Fixed (if transaction malleability hadn't been a problem, that is). Now, we know the bartender will turn into a bear and maul you if you try to cheat the payment channel, and now that we've revealed you're good friends with Jihan Wu, the bartender will no longer accept a payment channel scheme that lets one you cooperate with a miner to cheat the bartender. Fortunately, Jeremy Spilman proposed a better way that would not let you cheat the bartender. First, you and the bartender perform this ritual:
You get some funds and create a transaction that pays to a 2-of-2 multisig between you and the bartender. You don't broadcast this yet: you just sign it and get its txid.
You create another transaction that spends the above transaction. This transaction (the "backoff") has an nLockTime equal to the closing time of the bar, plus one block. You sign it and give this backoff transaction (but not the above transaction) to the bartender.
The bartender signs the backoff and gives it back to you. It is now valid since it's spending a 2-of-2 of you and the bartender, and both of you have signed the backoff transaction.
Now you broadcast the first transaction onchain. You and the bartender wait for it to be deeply confirmed, then you can start ordering.
The above is probably vaguely familiar to LN users. It's the funding process of payment channels! The first transaction, the one that pays to a 2-of-2 multisig, is the funding transaction that backs the payment channel funds. So now you start ordering in this way:
For your first drink, you create a transaction spending the funding transaction output and sending the price of the drink to the bartender, with the rest returning to you.
You sign the transaction and pass it to the bartender, who serves your first drink.
For your succeeding drinks, you recreate the same transaction, adding the price of the new drink to the sum that goes to the bartender and reducing the money returned to you. You sign the transaction and give it to the bartender, who serves you your next drink.
At the end:
If the bar closing time is reached, the bartender signs the latest transaction, completing the needed 2-of-2 signatures and broadcasting this to the Bitcoin network. Since the backoff transaction is the closing time + 1, it can't get used at closing time.
If you decide you want to leave early because your liver is crying, you just tell the bartender to go ahead and close the channel (which the bartender can do at any time by just signing and broadcasting the latest transaction: the bartender won't do that because he or she is hoping you'll stay and drink more).
If you ended up just hanging around the bar and never ordering, then at closing time + 1 you broadcast the backoff transaction and get your funds back in full.
Now, even if you pass 50 drinks to Jihan Wu, you can't give him the first transaction (the one which pays for only one drink) and ask him to mine it: it's spending a 2-of-2 and the copy you have only contains your own signature. You need the bartender's signature to make it valid, but he or she sure as hell isn't going to cooperate in something that would lose him or her money, so a signature from the bartender validating old state where he or she gets paid less isn't going to happen. So, problem solved, right? Right? Okay, let's try it. So you get your funds, put them in a funding tx, get the backoff tx, confirm the funding tx... Once the funding transaction confirms deeply, the bartender laughs uproariously. He or she summons the bouncers, who surround you menacingly. "I'm refusing service to you," the bartender says. "Fine," you say. "I was leaving anyway;" You smirk. "I'll get back my money with the backoff transaction, and posting about your poor service on reddit so you get negative karma, so there!" "Not so fast," the bartender says. His or her voice chills your bones. It looks like your exploitation of the Satoshi nSequence payment channel is still fresh in his or her mind. "Look at the txid of the funding transaction that got confirmed." "What about it?" you ask nonchalantly, as you flip open your desktop computer and open a reputable blockchain explorer. What you see shocks you. "What the --- the txid is different! You--- you changed my signature?? But how? I put the only copy of my private key in a sealed envelope in a cast-iron box inside a safe buried in the Gobi desert protected by a clan of nomads who have dedicated their lives and their childrens' lives to keeping my private key safe in perpetuity!" "Didn't you know?" the bartender asks. "The components of the signature are just very large numbers. The sign of one of the signature components can be changed, from positive to negative, or negative to positive, and the signature will remain valid. Anyone can do that, even if they don't know the private key. But because Bitcoin includes the signatures in the transaction when it's generating the txid, this little change also changes the txid." He or she chuckles. "They say they'll fix it by separating the signatures from the transaction body. They're saying that these kinds of signature malleability won't affect transaction ids anymore after they do this, but I bet I can get my good friend Jihan Wu to delay this 'SepSig' plan for a good while yet. Friendly guy, this Jihan Wu, it turns out all I had to do was slip him 51 drinks and he was willing to mine a tx with the signature signs flipped." His or her grin widens. "I'm afraid your backoff transaction won't work anymore, since it spends a txid that is not existent and will never be confirmed. So here's the deal. You pay me 99% of the funds in the funding transaction, in exchange for me signing the transaction that spends with the txid that you see onchain. Refuse, and you lose 100% of the funds and every other HODLer, including me, benefits from the reduction in coin supply. Accept, and you get to keep 1%. I lose nothing if you refuse, so I won't care if you do, but consider the difference of getting zilch vs. getting 1% of your funds." His or her eyes glow. "GENUFLECT RIGHT NOW." Lesson learned?
Payback's a bitch.
Transaction malleability is a bitchier bitch. It's why we needed to fix the bug in SegWit. Sure, MtGox claimed they were attacked this way because someone kept messing with their transaction signatures and thus they lost track of where their funds went, but really, the bigger impetus for fixing transaction malleability was to support payment channels.
Yes, including the signatures in the hash that ultimately defines the txid was a mistake. Satoshi made a lot of those. So we're just reiterating the lesson "Satoshi was not an infinite being of infinite wisdom" here. Satoshi just gets a pass because of how awesome Bitcoin is.
CLTV-protected Spilman Channels
Using CLTV for the backoff branch. This variation is simply Spilman channels, but with the backoff transaction replaced with a backoff branch in the SCRIPT you pay to. It only became possible after OP_CHECKLOCKTIMEVERIFY (CLTV) was enabled in 2015. Now as we saw in the Spilman Channels discussion, transaction malleability means that any pre-signed offchain transaction can easily be invalidated by flipping the sign of the signature of the funding transaction while the funding transaction is not yet confirmed. This can be avoided by simply putting any special requirements into an explicit branch of the Bitcoin SCRIPT. Now, the backoff branch is supposed to create a maximum lifetime for the payment channel, and prior to the introduction of OP_CHECKLOCKTIMEVERIFY this could only be done by having a pre-signed nLockTime transaction. With CLTV, however, we can now make the branches explicit in the SCRIPT that the funding transaction pays to. Instead of paying to a 2-of-2 in order to set up the funding transaction, you pay to a SCRIPT which is basically "2-of-2, OR this singlesig after a specified lock time". With this, there is no backoff transaction that is pre-signed and which refers to a specific txid. Instead, you can create the backoff transaction later, using whatever txid the funding transaction ends up being confirmed under. Since the funding transaction is immutable once confirmed, it is no longer possible to change the txid afterwards.
Todd Micropayment Networks
The old hub-spoke model (that isn't how LN today actually works). One of the more direct predecessors of the Lightning Network was the hub-spoke model discussed by Peter Todd. In this model, instead of payers directly having channels to payees, payers and payees connect to a central hub server. This allows any payer to pay any payee, using the same channel for every payee on the hub. Similarly, this allows any payee to receive from any payer, using the same channel. Remember from the above Spilman example? When you open a channel to the bartender, you have to wait around for the funding tx to confirm. This will take an hour at best. Now consider that you have to make channels for everyone you want to pay to. That's not very scalable. So the Todd hub-spoke model has a central "clearing house" that transport money from payers to payees. The "Moonbeam" project takes this model. Of course, this reveals to the hub who the payer and payee are, and thus the hub can potentially censor transactions. Generally, though, it was considered that a hub would more efficiently censor by just not maintaining a channel with the payer or payee that it wants to censor (since the money it owned in the channel would just be locked uselessly if the hub won't process payments to/from the censored user). In any case, the ability of the central hub to monitor payments means that it can surveill the payer and payee, and then sell this private transactional data to third parties. This loss of privacy would be intolerable today. Peter Todd also proposed that there might be multiple hubs that could transport funds to each other on behalf of their users, providing somewhat better privacy. Another point of note is that at the time such networks were proposed, only unidirectional (Spilman) channels were available. Thus, while one could be a payer, or payee, you would have to use separate channels for your income versus for your spending. Worse, if you wanted to transfer money from your income channel to your spending channel, you had to close both and reshuffle the money between them, both onchain activities.
Poon-Dryja Lightning Network
Bidirectional two-participant channels. The Poon-Dryja channel mechanism has two important properties:
No time limit.
Both the original Satoshi and the two Spilman variants are unidirectional: there is a payer and a payee, and if the payee wants to do a refund, or wants to pay for a different service or product the payer is providing, then they can't use the same unidirectional channel. The Poon-Dryjam mechanism allows channels, however, to be bidirectional instead: you are not a payer or a payee on the channel, you can receive or send at any time as long as both you and the channel counterparty are online. Further, unlike either of the Spilman variants, there is no time limit for the lifetime of a channel. Instead, you can keep the channel open for as long as you want. Both properties, together, form a very powerful scaling property that I believe most people have not appreciated. With unidirectional channels, as mentioned before, if you both earn and spend over the same network of payment channels, you would have separate channels for earning and spending. You would then need to perform onchain operations to "reverse" the directions of your channels periodically. Secondly, since Spilman channels have a fixed lifetime, even if you never used either channel, you would have to periodically "refresh" it by closing it and reopening. With bidirectional, indefinite-lifetime channels, you may instead open some channels when you first begin managing your own money, then close them only after your lawyers have executed your last will and testament on how the money in your channels get divided up to your heirs: that's just two onchain transactions in your entire lifetime. That is the potentially very powerful scaling property that bidirectional, indefinite-lifetime channels allow. I won't discuss the transaction structure needed for Poon-Dryja bidirectional channels --- it's complicated and you can easily get explanations with cute graphics elsewhere. There is a weakness of Poon-Dryja that people tend to gloss over (because it was fixed very well by RustyReddit):
You have to store all the revocation keys of a channel. This implies you are storing 1 revocation key for every channel update, so if you perform millions of updates over your entire lifetime, you'd be storing several megabytes of keys, for only a single channel. RustyReddit fixed this by requiring that the revocation keys be generated from a "Seed" revocation key, and every key is just the application of SHA256 on that key, repeatedly. For example, suppose I tell you that my first revocation key is SHA256(SHA256(seed)). You can store that in O(1) space. Then for the next revocation, I tell you SHA256(seed). From SHA256(key), you yourself can compute SHA256(SHA256(seed)) (i.e. the previous revocation key). So you can remember just the most recent revocation key, and from there you'd be able to compute every previous revocation key. When you start a channel, you perform SHA256 on your seed for several million times, then use the result as the first revocation key, removing one layer of SHA256 for every revocation key you need to generate. RustyReddit not only came up with this, but also suggested an efficient O(log n) storage structure, the shachain, so that you can quickly look up any revocation key in the past in case of a breach. People no longer really talk about this O(n) revocation storage problem anymore because it was solved very very well by this mechanism.
Another thing I want to emphasize is that while the Lightning Network paper and many of the earlier presentations developed from the old Peter Todd hub-and-spoke model, the modern Lightning Network takes the logical conclusion of removing a strict separation between "hubs" and "spokes". Any node on the Lightning Network can very well work as a hub for any other node. Thus, while you might operate as "mostly a payer", "mostly a forwarding node", "mostly a payee", you still end up being at least partially a forwarding node ("hub") on the network, at least part of the time. This greatly reduces the problems of privacy inherent in having only a few hub nodes: forwarding nodes cannot get significantly useful data from the payments passing through them, because the distance between the payer and the payee can be so large that it would be likely that the ultimate payer and the ultimate payee could be anyone on the Lightning Network. Lessons learned?
We can decentralize if we try hard enough!
"Hubs bad" can be made "hubs good" if everybody is a hub.
Smart people can solve problems. It's kinda why they're smart.
After LN, there's also the Decker-Wattenhofer Duplex Micropayment Channels (DMC). This post is long enough as-is, LOL. But for now, it uses a novel "decrementing nSequence channel", using the new relative-timelock semantics of nSequence (not the broken one originally by Satoshi). It actually uses multiple such "decrementing nSequence" constructs, terminating in a pair of Spilman channels, one in both directions (thus "duplex"). Maybe I'll discuss it some other time. The realization that channel constructions could actually hold more channel constructions inside them (the way the Decker-Wattenhofer puts a pair of Spilman channels inside a series of "decrementing nSequence channels") lead to the further thought behind Burchert-Decker-Wattenhofer channel factories. Basically, you could host multiple two-participant channel constructs inside a larger multiparticipant "channel" construct (i.e. host multiple channels inside a factory). Further, we have the Decker-Russell-Osuntokun or "eltoo" construction. I'd argue that this is "nSequence done right". I'll write more about this later, because this post is long enough. Lessons learned?
Bitcoin offchain scaling is more powerful than you ever thought.
Did anyone else get very long email with the subject "【MTGOX】同意事項/Terms of Consent" today?
This was the full email. There were also 2 PDF attachments. The only part I have changed is where I've redacted my "creditor number". Please discuss what you think about it. (English follows Japanese) 債権者様（債権者番号：XXXXXXXXXXX） 本メールは、株式会社MTGOX（以下「MTGOX」といいます。）の破産手続において破産債権の届出をしたものの、MTGOXの民事再生手続（以下「本民事再生手続」といいます。）において、再生債権の届出をしておらず、MTGOXのデータベースに存在した残高が自認債権として認められた債権者の方にお送りしています。 貴殿/貴社について認められた自認債権については、添付PDFファイルに記載しておりますのでご確認ください。 本民事再生手続において、届出債権者の方には、弁済を含めた諸手続を円滑に進めるため、本民事再生手続に関する同意事項に同意いただいております。しかし、貴殿/貴社は債権届出をしていないことから、未だ当該同意事項へ同意いただいておりません。弁済を含めた今後の手続を円滑に進めるためには、貴殿/貴社にも同様の同意事項に対して同意していただく必要があります。 そこで、本メールの末尾に記載しました「民事再生手続に関する同意事項」又は本メールに添付しました「民事再生手続に関する同意事項」（内容は同一です。）をご確認いただき、内容に同意いただける場合には、下記の文言を記載して、本メールに直接返信してください。 「私は、MTGOXの民事再生手続について、再生管財人から送付された「民事再生手続に関する同意事項」について同意及び表明いたします。」 再生管財人は、今後も、東京地方裁判所と協議しながら、適切な民事再生手続の遂行に努めてまいりますので、ご理解ご協力の程宜しくお願い申し上げます。 再生債務者株式会社MTGOX 再生管財人弁護士小林信明 To creditor (creditor number: XXXXXXXXXXX) You have received this email because you are a creditor ofMtGox Co., Ltd. (“MtGox”) who filed a proof of bankruptcy claim(s) under the previous bankruptcy proceedings forMtGox but did not file a proof of rehabilitation claim(s) under the civil rehabilitation proceedings for MtGox (the “Civil Rehabilitation Proceedings”) and whose remaining balance on the MtGox database was approved by the Rehabilitation Trustee as a self-approved rehabilitation claim(s) (i.e., a rehabilitation claim that was not filed but accepted by the trustee voluntarily in accordance with the Civil Rehabilitation Act). Your self-approved rehabilitation claim(s) are detailed in the attached PDF file for your review. In the Civil Rehabilitation Proceeding, the rehabilitation creditors who filed their proofs of rehabilitation claim agreed to the terms of consent regarding the Civil Rehabilitation Proceedings to proceed smoothly with various procedures including repayment. However, since you have not filed a claim, you have not yet agreed to these terms of consent. In order to facilitate various proceedings, your consent to the terms is required. Accordingly, we hereby stated the “Terms of Consent Regarding the Civil Rehabilitation Proceedings” at the end of this email, as well as attached the same to this email. Please carefully read the terms therein, and if you agree to the terms, please reply to this email and state the sentence below in the body of your reply. “I/We hereby agree to and represent as set forth in the “Terms of Consent Regarding the Civil Rehabilitation Proceedings” sent by the rehabilitation trustee, in relation to the civil rehabilitation proceedings for MtGox Co., Ltd.” The rehabilitation trustee will continue to make an effort to conduct the Civil Rehabilitation Proceeding appropriately and in consultation with the Tokyo District Court, and the rehabilitation trustee would appreciate the understanding and cooperation of all concerned parties. Rehabilitation Debtor: MtGox Co., Ltd. Rehabilitation Trustee: Nobuaki Kobayashi, Attorney-at-law 事件番号 平成２９年（再）第３５号 / Case Number 2017 (sai) No. 35 再生債務者 株式会社MTGOX / Rehabilitation Debtor: MTGOX Co., Ltd. 民事再生手続に関する同意事項 Terms of Consent Regarding the Civil Rehabilitation Proceedings 1. 私/当社は、上記債権者番号の自認債権者本人であり、私/当社が届け出た情報は真実、正確かつ完全であること。その違反に起因又は関連して生じるあらゆる損害、損失、債務、コスト又は費用（以下「損害等」という。）について、株式会社MTGOX（以下「MTGOX」という。）及びMTGOXの民事再生手続（東京地方裁判所平成29年（再）第35号。以下「本民事再生手続」という。）における管財人（その代理及び補佐を含み、以下「再生管財人」という。）は一切の責任を負わず、私/当社はMTGOX及び再生管財人に対して当該損害等に関して損害賠償請求、補償請求その他一切の請求をしないこと。 I am/We are the creditor of self-approved rehabilitation claims that has the above creditor number, and I/we represent that the information that I/we have provided therein is true, accurate, and complete. MtGox Co., Ltd. (“MTGOX”) and the trustee (including deputy trustees and assistant trustees; the “Rehabilitation Trustee”) of the MTGOX civil rehabilitation proceedings (Tokyo District Court; 2017 (sai) Case No. 35; the “Civil Rehabilitation Proceedings”) are not liable in any respect for any damage, loss, liability, cost or expense (“Damages”) arising out of or in connection with any breach of such representation, and I/we will not make any claim for damages or compensation, or make any other claim with respect to such Damages against MTGOX or the Rehabilitation Trustee. 2. 再生管財人の故意によらず、ビットコイン及びビットコインから分岐した他の仮想通貨（以下「フォークコイン」といい、ビットコインと総称して「ビットコイン等」という。）の技術上の問題・障害等に起因又は関連して生じるあらゆる損害等（ビットコイン等又は金銭による弁済を受領できないことによる損害を含むが、これに限られない。）について、MTGOX及び再生管財人は一切の責任を負わず、私/当社はMTGOX及び再生管財人に対して当該損害等に関して損害賠償請求、補償請求その他一切の請求をしないこと。 MTGOX and the Rehabilitation Trustee are not liable in any respect for any Damages arising out of or in connection with any technical issue, impediment, or other ground, in the absence of without willful misconduct by the Rehabilitation Trustee, regarding Bitcoin or any other cryptocurrency split from Bitcoin (a “Fork Coin”; collectively with Bitcoin, “Bitcoin, Etc.”) (including, but not limited to, any damage related to payments in Bitcoin, Etc. or cash not being received), and I/we will not make any claim for damages or compensation, or make any other claim with respect to such Damages against MTGOX or the Rehabilitation Trustee. 3. 私/当社は、本書式のダウンロードその他のために必要なコンピュータ等の機器、ソフトウェアその他のアプリケーション、通信回線その他の通信環境等の準備（必要なアプリケーションのインストールを含む。）及び維持、並びに自らの利用環境に応じたコンピュータ・ウイルスの感染の防止、不正アクセス及び情報漏洩の防止等のセキュリティ対策を、自らの費用と責任において行うこと。本項に定める事項の違反に起因又は関連して生じるあらゆる損害等について、MTGOX及び再生管財人は一切の責任を負わず、私/当社はMTGOX及び再生管財人に対して当該損害等に関して損害賠償請求、補償請求その他一切の請求をしないこと。私/当社は、MTGOX及び再生管財人が利用環境を推奨した場合であっても動作保証は行わないことを認識し、これに同意していること。 I/We will, at my/our expense and responsibility, setup and maintain computers and other equipment, software and other applications, telecommunication lines and other telecommunication environments, among others, necessary to download this form (including installing necessary applications) and, in accordance with my/our use environment, take security measures, such as preventing infection by computer viruses, unauthorized access and information divulgence. MTGOX and the Rehabilitation Trustee are not liable in any respect for any Damages arising out of or in connection with any breach of any matter stipulated in this paragraph, and I/we will not make any claim for damages or compensation, or make any other claim with respect to such Damages against MTGOX or the Rehabilitation Trustee. I/We acknowledge and agree that notwithstanding that MTGOX and the Rehabilitation Trustee have recommended a use environment its operation is not guaranteed in any respect. 4. 私/当社は、自らの責任において、MTGOXのビットコイン取引所に登録していたユーザーネーム、メールアドレス及びパスワード、MTGOXの破産手続（東京地方裁判所平成26年（フ）第3830号。以下「本破産手続」という。）において債権者情報として登録した連絡先メールアドレス等私/当社であることの確認のために必要な情報及びこれに関連するもの（以下、総称して「パスワード等」という。）を管理、保管するものとし、パスワード等を第三者に利用させたり、貸与、譲渡、名義変更、売買その他処分をしたりしないこと。再生管財人は、私/当社のパスワード等により行われた一切の行為を、私/当社の行為とみなすことができ、パスワード等の管理不十分、使用上の過誤、漏洩、第三者の使用、盗用等に起因又は関連して生じるあらゆる損害等について、MTGOX及び再生管財人は一切の責任を負わず、私/当社はMTGOX及び再生管財人に対して当該損害等に関して損害賠償請求、補償請求その他一切の請求をしないこと。 I/We will, at my/our responsibility, manage and store user names, email address and passwords registered on the MTGOX Bitcoin exchange; the contact address registered as creditor information in the bankruptcy proceedings (Tokyo District Court; 2014 (fu) Case No. 3830; the “Bankruptcy Proceedings”); or any other information necessary for identity confirmation and anything related thereto (collectively, the “Passwords”) and will neither permit any third party to use the Passwords nor lend, assign, transfer ownership, trade, or handle the Passwords in any other manner. The Rehabilitation Trustee may deem all acts conducted with my/our Passwords as mine/our act; and MTGOX and the Rehabilitation Trustee are not liable in any respect for any Damages arising out of or in connection with insufficient management, erroneous use, divulgence, third party use, illegal use, or otherwise of the Passwords, and I/we will not make any claim for damages or compensation, or make any other claim with respect to such Damages against MTGOX or the Rehabilitation Trustee. 5. 私/当社は、再生管財人が定めている又は今後定める、再生管財人が用意した方式・方法による届出・通知及びこれに関連する事項を行う際のルール（今後の変更を含む。）を理解した上でこれに従うものとし、当該ルールに違反し、又は違反しようとしたことに起因又は関連して生じるあらゆる損害等について、MTGOX及び再生管財人は一切の責任を負わず、私/当社はMTGOX及び再生管財人に対して当該損害等に関して損害賠償請求、補償請求その他一切の請求をしないこと。 I/We will familiarize myself/ourselves with and follow current rules or future rules (as amended from time to time) for any filing/notifying with the form/method the Rehabilitation Trustee provided and anything related thereto stipulated, by the Rehabilitation Trustee; and MTGOX and the Rehabilitation Trustee are not liable in any respect for any Damages arising out of or in connection with any breach of or any attempted breach of the rules, and I/we will not make any claim for damages or compensation, or make any other claim with respect to such Damages against MTGOX or the Rehabilitation Trustee. 6. 他のウェブサイトからMTGOXのウェブサイトへのリンクが提供されている場合においても、MTGOXのウェブサイト以外のウェブサイト及びそこから得られる情報並びにそれに起因又は関連して生じる損害等について、MTGOX及び再生管財人は一切の責任を負わず、私/当社はMTGOX及び再生管財人に対して当該損害等に関して損害賠償請求、補償請求その他一切の請求をしないこと。 MTGOX and the Rehabilitation Trustee are not liable in any respect for any website other than MTGOX’s website, any information obtained therefrom, and any Damages arising out of or in connection with the same, notwithstanding that MTGOX’s website may be linked on another website, and I/we will not make any claim for damages or compensation, or make any other claim with respect to such Damages against MTGOX or the Rehabilitation Trustee. 7. 私/当社と他の再生債権者その他の者との間において生じた取引、連絡、紛争等については、私/当社の責任において処理及び解決するものとし、かかる事項及びそれに起因又は関連して生じるあらゆる損害等について、MTGOX及び再生管財人は一切の責任を負わず、私/当社はMTGOX及び再生管財人に対して当該損害等に関して損害賠償請求、補償請求その他一切の請求をしないこと。 I/we will, at my/our responsibility, handle and resolve any and all transactions, communication, disputes, among others, arising between me/us, another rehabilitation creditor, or any other person; and MTGOX and the Rehabilitation Trustee are not liable in any respect for any relevant matter and any Damages arising out thereof or in connection therewith, and I/we will not make any claim for damages or compensation, or make any other claim with respect to such Damages against MTGOX or the Rehabilitation Trustee. 8. 法律、政令、法令、命令、通達、条例、ガイドラインその他の規制（以下「法令等」という。）又は消費税を含む税制の将来の制定又は変更に起因又は関連して生じるあらゆる損害等について、MTGOX及び再生管財人は一切の責任を負わず、私/当社は、MTGOX及び再生管財人に対して当該損害等に関して損害賠償請求、補償請求その他一切の請求をしないこと。また、法令等又は消費税を含む税制の将来の制定又は変更が過去に遡及した場合に、これに起因又は関連して生じるあらゆる損害等について、MTGOX及び再生管財人は一切の責任を負わず、私/当社はMTGOX及び再生管財人に対して当該損害等に関して損害賠償請求、補償請求その他一切の請求をしないこと。 MTGOX and the Rehabilitation Trustee are not liable in any respect for any Damages arising out of or in connection with a future enactment or amendment to a law, cabinet order, ordinance, order, directive, bylaw, guideline, or any other regulation (“Laws”) or the tax system, including consumption tax; and I/we will not make any claim for damages or compensation, or make any other claim with respect to such Damages against MTGOX or the Rehabilitation Trustee. Further, MTGOX and the Rehabilitation Trustee are not liable in any respect for any Damages arising out of or in connection with any future enactment or amendment with a retroactive effect on Laws or the tax system including consumption tax, and I/we will not make any claim for damages or compensation, or make any other claim with respect to such Damages against MTGOX or the Rehabilitation Trustee. 9. 裁判所又は再生管財人が、再生管財人が私/当社のメールアドレスと認めるメールアドレス宛に電子メールにより通知を送信することによって、私/当社に対する適法な通知があったものとみなすこと。当該メールアドレスの不備等（メールアドレスの記載漏れを含む。）に起因又は関連して、当該メールアドレスに宛てた電子メールを送信することができず又は電子メールが到達しない場合（到達が確認できない場合を含む。）であっても同様とすること。 An appropriate notification is deemed to have been made to me/us if the court or the Rehabilitation Trustee sends a notification via email to the email address which is considered to be my/our email address by the Rehabilitation Trustee. The same applies notwithstanding that, due to, or in connection with, an inadequacy, inaccurateness or incompleteness, or any other issue (including omission of the email address), in or with that email address, an email addressed to that email address cannot be sent or the email is not delivered including where receipt is unconfirmed. 10.私/当社が本届出書を利用して行った再生債権の届出の内容について、再生管財人が裁判所その他必要な第三者に提出すること。 The Rehabilitation Trustee may submit the proof of rehabilitation claim filed by me/us using this form to the court and other third parties as necessary. 11.私/当社は、本民事再生手続においてパスワード等を用いて入手することができる一切の情報（他の再生債権者に関する情報を含むが、これに限られない。）を、本民事再生手続における権利行使の目的にのみ使用することとし、第三者に提供、開示又は漏洩しないこと。 I/We will use information (including, but not limited to, information related to any other rehabilitation creditors) acquired by using the Passwords in the Civil Rehabilitation Proceedings only for the purpose of exercising rights in the Civil Rehabilitation Proceedings and will not provide, disclose, or divulge such information to any third party. 12.私/当社の本民事再生手続における議決権の額は、再生管財人が提示する次の為替レートによって、円換算されて評価されること。 The amount of my/our voting rights in the Civil Rehabilitation Proceedings is computed through conversion to Japanese Yen (JPY) using the following exchange rates provided by the Rehabilitation Trustee: (a) 外国通貨 平成30年6月21日（日本時間）の東京外国為替市場・電信為替売相場として三菱UFJリサーチ＆コンサルティング株式会社が公表した相場 Foreign currency: the exchange rates publicly announced by Mitsubishi UFJ Research and Consulting Co., Ltd. as the Tokyo Foreign Exchange Market / Telegraphic Transfer Selling Rate on June 21, 2018 (Japan Time) (b) ビットコイン 平成30年6月21日23時59分（日本時間）時点のCoinDeskが発表する米国ドル建てのビットコイン相場を(a)の相場により日本円に換算した金額（1 BTC＝6,724.57米国ドル＝749,318.83円。1米国ドル＝111.43円） Bitcoin: the amount obtained by converting the Bitcoin price denominated in USD announced by CoinDesk at 23:59 on June 21, 2018 (Japan Time) to JPY using the exchange rate referred to in the above (a). (1 BTC＝6,724.57 USD = 749,318.83 JPY; 1 USD = 111.43 JPY) (c) ビットコインキャッシュ 平成30年6月21日23時59分（日本時間）時点のCoinDeskが発表する米国ドル建てのビットコインキャッシュ相場を(a)の相場により日本円に換算した金額（1 BCH＝874.82米国ドル＝97,481.19円。1米国ドル＝111.43円） Bitcoin Cash: the amount obtained by converting the Bitcoin Cash Price denominated in USD announced by CoinDesk at 23:59 on June 21, 2018 (Japan time) to JPY using the exchange rate referred to in the above (a). (1 BCH = 874.82 USD = 97,481.19 JPY; 1 USD = 111.43 JPY) (d) その他の仮想通貨 金額は未定 Amounts for other cryptocurrencies: not determined 13.本民事再生手続においては、ビットコイン等の返還請求権は非金銭債権として取り扱われ、当該返還請求権に係る遅延損害金は生じないこととすること。 In the Civil Rehabilitation Proceedings, the right to claim for return of Bitcoin Etc. is treated as a non-monetary claim, and no delay damages pertaining to such right to claim for return will accrue. 14.再生管財人の私/当社への弁済（金銭及びビットコイン等の弁済を含む。）及びこれに関連する行為が、日本国の外国為替及び外国貿易法、米国財務省の金融制裁（OFAC規制）その他私/当社に関して適用のあるいかなる法令等にも抵触しないこと。再生管財人は、再生管財人の実施する私/当社への弁済及びこれに関連する行為が、日本国外の法令等に抵触しないことをいかなる意味においても保証しないこと。これらの法令等への抵触に起因又は関連して生じるあらゆる損害等について、MTGOX及び再生管財人は一切の責任を負わず、私/当社はMTGOX及び再生管財人に対して当該損害等に関して損害賠償請求、補償請求その他一切の請求をしないこと。再生管財人の私/当社への弁済に起因又は関連して私/当社に課される一切の公租公課（当該弁済の態様によって公租公課の額が増減する場合を含む。）は、私/当社が負担し、当該公租公課又はその増減に起因又は関連して生じるあらゆる損害等について、MTGOX及び再生管財人は一切の責任を負わず、私/当社はMTGOX及び再生管財人に対して当該損害等に関して損害賠償請求、補償請求その他一切の請求をしないこと。 Any payment (including payment of cash and Bitcoin Etc.) to me/us by the Rehabilitation Trustee and any act related thereto do not conflict with the Foreign Exchange and Foreign Trade Act of Japan, the United States Department of the Treasury’s financial sanctions (OFAC regulations) and any other applicable Laws. The Rehabilitation Trustee does not guarantee, in any respect, that payment to me/us by the Rehabilitation Trustee and any act related thereto do not conflict with Laws outside of Japan. MTGOX and the Rehabilitation Trustee are not liable in any respect for any Damages arising out of or in connection with any conflict with any applicable Laws, and I/we will not make any claim for damages or compensation, or make any other claim with respect to such Damages against MTGOX or the Rehabilitation Trustee. I/We will bear all taxes and other public charges (including any increases or decreases in the amount of taxes and other public charges due to the manner of the payment) levied on me/us arising out of or in connection with any payment to me/us by the Rehabilitation Trustee; and MTGOX and the Rehabilitation Trustee are not liable in any respect for any Damages arising out of or in connection with such taxes and other public charges and increase or decrease thereof, and I/we will not make any claim for damages or compensation, or make any other claim with respect to such Damages against MTGOX or the Rehabilitation Trustee. 15.再生管財人が、仮想通貨取引所（日本国内の仮想通貨交換業者を含むが、これに限られない。以下同じ。）又は金融機関（資金移動業者を含む。以下同じ。）に開設された再生債権者の口座に対して弁済金を振り込む場合、私/当社は、再生管財人の指定する方法により届け出た氏名・名称と同一名義の仮想通貨取引所又は金融機関の口座で受け取ること。 If the Rehabilitation Trustee transfers the money for distribution to an account of a rehabilitation creditor opened at a cryptocurrency exchange (including, but not limited to, cryptocurrency exchangers in Japan; the same applies below) or a financial institution (including fund transfer operators; the same applies below), I/we will receive the same in the account at the cryptocurrency exchange or the financial institution under the same name as that name I/we notified in the manner designated by the Rehabilitation Trustee. 16.私/当社が再生管財人の指定する仮想通貨取引所に開設した口座でビットコイン等及び/又は金銭で弁済を受ける場合には、次の各事項。 If I/we receive payment in Bitcoin Etc. and/or in cash in an account opened at the cryptocurrency exchange designated by the Rehabilitation Trustee, the following applies: (a) 私/当社は、送付先等の必要情報を正確に提供しなければならず、その誤りから結果的にビットコイン等及び/又は金銭を受領できなかったとしても、それに起因又は関連して生じるあらゆる損害等について、MTGOX及び再生管財人は一切の責任を負わず、私/当社はMTGOX及び再生管財人に対して当該損害等に関して損害賠償請求、補償請求その他一切の請求をしないこと。 I/we must accurately provide necessary information about my/our accounts, among others, and, notwithstanding that an error therein results in my/our not receiving Bitcoin, Etc. or cash, MTGOX and the Rehabilitation Trustee are not liable in any respect for any Damages arising out of or in connection with such non-receipt, and I/we will not make any claim for damages or compensation, or make any other claim with respect to such Damages against MTGOX or the Rehabilitation Trustee. (b) 再生管財人がビットコイン等及び/又は金銭を当該仮想通貨取引所に交付した時点で弁済が完了し、MTGOX及び再生管財人の弁済義務は消滅するものとし、再生管財人による当該仮想通貨取引所へのビットコイン等及び/又は金銭の交付後、私/当社が何らかの理由（仮想通貨のブロックチェーンの不具合、仮想通貨取引所のシステムの不具合を含むが、これらに限られない。）により仮想通貨取引所からのビットコイン等及び/又は金銭の適切な弁済を受けることができなかったとしても、それに起因又は関連して生じるあらゆる損害等について、MTGOX及び再生管財人は一切の責任を負わず、私/当社はMTGOX及び再生管財人に対して当該損害等に関して損害賠償請求、補償請求その他一切の請求をしないこと。 The instant the Rehabilitation Trustee sends Bitcoin, Etc. or cash to the cryptocurrency exchange, the payment by MTGOX and the Rehabilitation Trustee is deemed complete, and the payment obligation of MTGOX and the Rehabilitation Trustee is deemed to be discharged; and, after Bitcoin Etc. or cash has been sent to the cryptocurrency exchange by the Rehabilitation Trustee, notwithstanding that I/we fail to receive appropriate payment of Bitcoin Etc. or cash from the cryptocurrency exchange for any reason (including, but not limited to, a malfunction in the blockchain of the cryptocurrency or a system malfunction at the cryptocurrency exchange), MTGOX and the Rehabilitation Trustee are not liable in any respect for any Damages arising out of or in connection with such failure, and I/we will not make any claim for damages or compensation, or make any other claim with respect to such Damages against MTGOX or the Rehabilitation Trustee. 17.私/当社が金融機関の口座において金銭で弁済を受ける場合には、次の各事項。 If I/we receive cash in an account at a financial institution, the following applies: (a) 私/当社は、送付先等の必要情報を正確に提供しなければならず、その誤りから結果的に金銭を受領できなかったとしても、それに起因又は関連して生じるあらゆる損害等について、MTGOX及び再生管財人は一切の責任を負わず、私/当社はMTGOX及び再生管財人に対して当該損害等に関して損害賠償請求、補償請求その他一切の請求をしないこと。 I/We must accurately provide necessary information about my/our accounts, among others, and, notwithstanding that an error therein results in my/our not receiving cash, MTGOX and the Rehabilitation Trustee are not liable in any respect for any Damages arising out of or in connection with that, and I/we will not make any claim for damages or compensation, or make any other claim with respect to such Damages against MTGOX or the Rehabilitation Trustee. (b) 取扱通貨の種別や送金元銀行との取引の有無、日本国内外の法令等及び各金融機関の内部基準への抵触並びに諸手数料の発生その他要因に基づき弁済金を受領できなかったとしても、それに起因又は関連して生じるあらゆる損害等について、MTGOX及び再生管財人は一切の責任を負わず、私/当社はMTGOX及び再生管財人に対して当該損害等に関して損害賠償請求、補償請求その他一切の請求をしないこと。 Notwithstanding that I/we fail to receive cash for distribution due to unavailability of the designated currencies or transactions with the designated financial institutions, any conflict with Laws in or outside Japan or an internal standard of any relevant financial institution, various processing charges and fees, or any other causes, MTGOX and the Rehabilitation Trustee are not liable in any respect for any Damages arising out of or in connection with that, and I/we will not make any claim for damages or compensation, or make any other claim with respect to such Damages against MTGOX or the Rehabilitation Trustee. (c) 諸手数料等を差し引いた金額の弁済金を受け取る場合であっても、当該諸手数料等に起因又は関連して生じるあらゆる損害等について、MTGOX及び再生管財人は一切の責任を負わず、私/当社はMTGOX及び再生管財人に対して当該損害等に関して損害賠償請求、補償請求その他一切の請求をしないこと。 Notwithstanding that I/we have received payment from which various processing charges and fees have been deducted, MTGOX and the Rehabilitation Trustee are not liable in any respect for any Damages arising out of or in connection with such processing charges and fees, and I/we will not make any claim for damages or compensation, or make any other claim with respect to such Damages against MTGOX or the Rehabilitation Trustee. 18.フォークコインに係る再生債権の届出については、ビットコインに関する再生債権の届出をもって、届け出たビットコインの数に応じて、フォークコインに係る再生債権についても届け出たものとみなし、再生債権者は独自にフォークコインに係る再生債権を届け出ないこと。再生債権の届出があるとみなされるフォークコインは、通常の方法により売却可能であり、かつ、財産的価値のあるものに限られ、それ以外のフォークコインについては、再生債権の届出があるとは認められないこと。なお、ビットコインキャッシュは再生債権の届出があるとみなされるフォークコインに含まれること。 The filing of a proof of rehabilitation claim for a Fork Coin is deemed to have been made in proportion to the number of the filed Bitcoin for which the proof of rehabilitation claim has been filed, and the rehabilitation creditor cannot file its own proof of rehabilitation claim for a Fork Coin. Fork Coins that are deemed to have been filed are limited to those that can be sold in an ordinary manner and that have property value, and no other Fork Coin will be recognized as being deemed to have been filed. Bitcoin Cash is included in Fork Coins that are deemed to have been filed. 19.私/当社が再生管財人により認められた債権を契約により第三者に譲渡する場合には、当該譲渡契約の準拠法は日本法にするものとし、MTGOX及び再生管財人に当該譲渡を対抗するためには、日本法に基づく債権譲渡の対抗要件その他再生管財人が指定する要件を備えることが必要であること。再生管財人は、各国の法令等の定め及び債権譲渡契約で定められた準拠法の定めにかかわらず、日本法のみに基づき債権譲渡契約の有効性及び対抗要件具備の有無を判断すること。再生管財人が日本法に基づき債権譲渡契約の有効性及び対抗要件具備の有無を判断することに起因又は関連して生じるあらゆる損害等について、MTGOX及び再生管財人は一切の責任を負わず、私/当社はMTGOX及び再生管財人に対して当該損害等に関して損害賠償請求、補償請求その他一切の請求をしないこと。 If I/we intend to transfer or assign any rehabilitation claim that was approved by the Rehabilitation Trustee to any third party pursuant to an agreement, the governing law for such agreement shall be Japanese law, and the perfection requirements in accordance with the relevant Japanese law and any other requirements specified by the Rehabilitation Trustee shall be fully satisfied to perfect such claim transfer or assignment against MTGOX and the Rehabilitation Trustee. The Rehabilitation Trustee will determine the validity of such claim transfer or assignment and perfection thereof pursuant only to Japanese law, irrespective of any statute in each country’s Laws and any governing law provided for in such agreement. MTGOX and the Rehabilitation Trustee are not liable in any respect for any Damages arising out of or in connection with the Rehabilitation Trustee determining the validity of such claim transfer or assignment and perfection thereof pursuant to Japanese law, and I/we will not make any claim for damages or compensation, or make any other claim with respect to such Damages against MTGOX or the Rehabilitation Trustee. 20.再生管財人による債権譲渡の承認が、債権譲渡の承認に必要な手続（譲渡人及び譲受人の本人確認、譲渡を証明する文書の検証を含むが、これらに限られない。）その他の理由により遅滞した場合であっても、これに起因又は関連して生じるあらゆる損害等について、MTGOX及び再生管財人は一切の責任を負わず、私/当社はMTGOX及び再生管財人に対して当該損害等に関して損害賠償請求、補償請求その他一切の請求をしないこと。 Notwithstanding that approval by the Rehabilitation Trustee of a claim transfer or assignment is delayed by the procedures necessary for approval of a claim transfer or assignment (including, but not limited to, identity check of the transferoassignor and transferee/assignee and verification of documents proving transfer or assignment) or any other reason, MTGOX and the Rehabilitation Trustee are not liable in any respect for any Damages arising out of or in connection with such delay, and I/we will not make any claim for damages or compensation, or make any other claim with respect to such Damages against MTGOX or the Rehabilitation Trustee. 21.ある再生債権を譲渡する場合、当該再生債権の全部を譲渡することとし、その一部のみを譲渡しないこと。 If a rehabilitation claim is transferred or assigned, all of such rehabilitation claim, not part thereof, shall be transferred or assigned. 22.ビットコイン等に係る再生債権を譲渡する場合には、対象となるビットコイン及び当該ビットコインから分岐したフォークコインを併せて譲渡するものとし、ビットコイン又はフォークコインに係る再生債権を個別に譲渡しないこと。 If a rehabilitation claim pertaining to Bitcoin, Etc. is transferred or assigned, the Bitcoin subject to such transfer or assignment and the Fork Coin split from such Bitcoin shall be transferred or assigned collectively, and a rehabilitation claim pertaining to Bitcoin or Fork Coin shall not be transferred or assigned individually. 23.情報の取扱いに関する同意事項 Matters of consent related to information management (a) 再生管財人が、以下の情報（個人情報の保護に関する法律（平成15年法律第57号）第2条第1項により定義される個人情報その他識別された又は識別可能な自然人に関する一切の情報を含むが、これに限られない。以下同じ。）を収集すること。 The Rehabilitation Trustee may collect the information below (including, but not limited to, personal information defined under Article 2(1) of the Act on the Protection of Personal Information (Act No. 57 of 2003) and any other information relating to an identified or identifiable natural person; the same applies below) i. 私/当社が再生管財人に提供する情報 information that I/we provided to the Rehabilitation Trustee; ii. 私/当社以外の情報源（身元証明サービス機関を含むが、これに限られない。）から収集する私/当社の情報 information concerning me/us provided by an information source (including, but not limited to, organizations providing ID verification services) other than myself/ourselves; iii. 本破産手続において、私/当社が本破産手続の破産管財人に提供した一切の情報 all information that I/we provided to the bankruptcy trustee of the Bankruptcy Proceedings; iv. 私/当社が、MTGOXに提供した一切の情報 all information that I/we provided to MTGOX; and v. その他再生管財人が適正な方法により取得し、又は今後取得する情報 any other information acquired, or to be acquired going forward, by the Rehabilitation Trustee using an appropriate method (b) 再生管財人が、収集した上記(a)の情報を、以下の目的で日本国内外で管理及び利用すること。 The Rehabilitation Trustee may manage and use collected information stated in (a) above for the purposes below in and outside of Japan. i. 再生債権の届出、調査、再生計画の立案、再生計画に基づく弁済その他の本民事再生手続の適切な遂行 filing proofs of rehabilitation claim, investigations of rehabilitation claims, drafting a rehabilitation plan, distribution in accordance with a rehabilitation plan, or any other appropriate execution of the Civil Rehabilitation Proceedings; ii. 公益的な目的のためにする、日本国内外の行政官庁・捜査機関・司法機関への上記(a)の情報の開示又は提供 disclosing or providing information stated in (a) above to any government office, any investigation agency, or any judicial agency in or outside of Japan for the purpose of serving public interests; and iii. その他上記目的に付随する目的 any other purposes incidental to the above purposes. (c) 再生管財人が、上記(b)の目的のため、上記(a)の情報を、第三者（以下の者を含むが、これらに限られない。）に開示又は提供する場合があること。これらの第三者には、①米国、②カナダ、③イギリス、④私/当社が所在する国及び⑤私/当社が再生債権の弁済の受領のために利用する金融機関又は仮想通貨取引所が所在する国に、それぞれ所在する第三者が含まれること。 The Rehabilitation Trustee may disclose or provide information stated in (a) above for the purpose of (b) above to any third party (including, but not limited to, the persons below). The third parties hereunder include third parties located in (i) the United States of America, (ii) Canada, (iii) the United Kingdom, (iv) the country in which I am/we are located, and (v) the country in which the financial institution or cryptocurrency exchange that I/we use to receive payment for the rehabilitation claim is located. 東京地方裁判所その他裁判所（日本国外の裁判所を含む。）、本民事再生手続及び本破産手続（併せて以下「本民事再生手続等」という。）における調査委員（その代理及び補佐を含む。）その他の機関、日本国内外の行政官庁・捜査機関、管財人が本民事再生手続等の遂行のために依頼する法律事務所及びデロイトトーマツコンサルティング合同会社等の専門家、金融機関、仮想通貨取引所、他の再生債権者、Eメールサービスプロバイダー、及び詐欺行為検証サービスプロバイダー Tokyo District Court and other courts (including courts outside of Japan); the Examiner (chosa iin) (including deputy examiners and assistant examiners) and other officers or bodies in the Civil Rehabilitation Proceedings or the Bankruptcy Proceedings (collectively, the “Civil Rehabilitation Proceedings, Etc.”); government offices and investigation agencies in or outside of Japan; counsel and experts including the law firms and Deloitte Tohmatsu Consulting LLC. which the trustee has retained to proceed with the Civil Rehabilitation Proceedings, Etc.; financial institutions; cryptocurrency exchangers; other rehabilitation creditors; email service providers; and fraudulent act verification service providers (d) 管財人は、本民事再生手続等に必要な限りで私/当社のブラウザ設定により影響されない特定の永続クッキーを使用する可能性があること。 The trustee might, to the extent necessary for the Civil Rehabilitation Proceedings, Etc., use a specific permanent cookies setting that will be unaffected by my/our browser setting. 24.私/当社の再生債権に関する事項が、オンライン上で他の再生債権者による閲覧の対象となり、また、東京地方裁判所において本民事再生手続の利害関係人の閲覧及び謄写の対象となる場合があること。 The information regarding my/our rehabilitation claim may be available online to other rehabilitation creditors, and may be subject to the inspection and copying thereof at the Tokyo District Court by an interested party in the Civil Rehabilitation Proceedings. 25.私が死亡した場合、本民事再生手続との関係では、再生管財人が、日本の法令等及び実務に従って、相続に関する各種関係資料の提出を求め、また、誰を再生債権者として取り扱うかについて判断すること、及び、当該判断に起因又は関連して生じるあらゆる損害等について、MTGOX及び再生管財人は一切の責任を負わず、私及び私の相続人はMTGOX及び再生管財人に対して当該損害等に関して損害賠償請求、補償請求その他一切の請求をしないこと。 For the purpose of the Civil Rehabilitation Proceedings, in the event that I died, the Rehabilitation Trustee may, in accordance with the Laws and practices of Japan, request for relevant evidence and explanation on the inheritance and determine who to be treated as the rehabilitation creditor; and MTGOX and the Rehabilitation Trustee are not liable in any respect for any Damages arising out of or in connection with such determination, and I and my heir(s)/successor(s) will not make any claim for damages or compensation, or make any other claim with respect to such Damages against MTGOX or the Rehabilitation Trustee. 26.本同意事項は日本語を正文とすること。本同意事項につき作成される英語の翻訳文は参考にすぎず、日本語と英語との間で相互に内容の相違、矛盾がある場合であっても、日本語のみが効力を有すること。 The governing language of these terms of consent shall be the Japanese language. The English-language translation thereof is merely for reference purposes only; and notwithstanding any discrepancy or contradiction in details between the Japanese-language original and the English-language translation the Japanese-language original shall prevail. 27. 本民事再生手続等及びこれに関連又は付随して生じる一切の請求又は紛争は日本法に準拠し、東京地方裁判所を専属的合意管轄裁判所とすること。 The Civil Rehabilitation Proceedings, Etc. and all claims and disputes arising out of, in connection with, or incidental to, the Civil Rehabilitation Proceedings, Etc. are governed by Japanese law, and the Tokyo District Court shall have exclusive jurisdiction. 28. 再生管財人が、本同意事項を必要に応じ変更すること。但し、再生管財人が変更についてwww.mtgox.comにおいて告知したものに限る。 The Rehabilitation Trustee will, as necessary, amend these terms of consent. However, amendments are limited to those that the Rehabilitation Trustee has notified on the website www.mtgox.com.
Chinese cryptocurrency enthusiasts, what are some differences in the two communities and the technology they use/value?
I had a chinese friend from college the other day tell me that the following things are practiced pretty much across the board among the upper echelon of crypto traders/miners in China. There are obviously many different sociopolitical forces that change how bitcoin affects the people using it based on governmental and likely cultural elements as well. Thus i thought it would be interesting to discuss this and see if we can notice anything interesting considering that bitcoin has always been primarily an english/american led project (i am not discounting the great advances made by non western developers and i also acknowledge that the opposite is true when it comes to mining). Here's what my friend told me: OKEX OTC and Huobi OTC are very common (not sure about others but i get the impression that westerners generally stick to exchanges when moving large sums of fiat into crypto and vice versa (the slippage is usually negligible anyway) USDT is very often used to transfer and store 'fiat' currency--which i believe is a direct result of the capital controls on china's economy Can someone tell me what the following things are and if they're one entity or seperate projects: Thunder Network/Xunlei link, Acute angle token, acute angle cloud. It seems Xunlei is a wildly populawellfunded project that has something to do with decentralized CDN networks that require you to buy hardware similar to what 21.co initially planned to do but with another purpose swapped out for 21's plan of having mini miners everywhere. Just thought this would be a cool discussion to have. A couple more simple questions i imagine the public would want to know are: How risky are the big chinese exchanges? are they running a fractional reserve and everyone knows it similar to how mtgox was in the last year of operation (remember that it still maintained ~70-90% of the TOTAL BTC DAILY volume so it was worth the risk to still trade on). Is the volume on these exchanges fake? I remember back in the day with 0 fee exchanges topping the charts by incredible amounts--lending credibility to the theory that the exchange administrators were scheming. Would love to jsut have an open discussion on regional differences in bitcoin/crypto culture
Prohibiting agreements or practices that restrict free trading and competition between business entities. This includes in particular the repression of cartels.
Banning abusive behaviour by a firm dominating a market, or anti-competitive practices that tend to lead to such a dominant position. Practices controlled in this way may include predatory pricing, tying, price gouging, refusal to deal and many others."
I know very little about the details of the law but isn't what the banks are doing? (And this is not just in the UK!) They are defending a monopoly that should never have been allowed to exist! Transferwise has just been banned from sending money to Bitstamp: http://transferwise.com/blog/2013-04/notice-to-bitcoin-users-april-2013 Mtgox had their account in the UK closed. Bitfloor closed due to their bank closing it (I think). We need to do something about this! Can someone with a law background provide a watertight argument for why the banks refusing transfers to Bitcoin exchanges is illegal? Can we take the banks to court over this?
Why would you trade there? I know it´s easier for people from the US to get their money on there and it´s the big player... BUT: seriously guys, MtGox takes 0.6% fee on every transaction. With a daily volume of 8MIO they are making 48k profit a day no matter if BTC is going up or not. Avoiding this is one of the things that bitcoin is about. And it´s not like there are no other exchanges.. For example over at https://bitcoin-24.com/ they have NO fees. Anway. I do see reasons to trade there and one could probably elaborate all this, but I think you get the idea... I don´t like the fact that MtGox is the place to look at for price-development while they obviously start lagging everytime shit hits the fan AND charge you bi time.
PSA: More examples of Bitinstant's suspicious exchage rates
I know there was a similar post by u/psapsaps 3 days ago about this issue. I decided to take a chance and try it out anyway becase its the easiest and quickest way for me to obtain btc right now. My first purchase was of $100 usd, + the $3.95 for zip zap they dont even warn you about. purchase was executed around 2:30pm utc on 4/16. I got a confirmation email at 2:33 utc mt.gox was at $65 +-$3 considering bitinstant fee of 3.99%, my deposit was of $96.01 i received 1.20595 at 3:52 pm utc at the rate of $79.61 , so theres that. Where were my bitcoins from 2:30 pm utc to 3:52 utc? Well i decided it was worth another try just for the sake of getting more information. today 4/18 at 1:05 pm utc i got a confirmation form zip zap that my second purchase (this time of $200) had been succesfully processed. Bitinstant emailed 3 minutes before that at 1:02 pm to confirm that my order had executed for 192.02. at 1:07pm utc i receive 2.01639364 btc at the rate of $95.22 mt.gox had been at $92 +-$1 during the surpricingly short amout of time it took for my cash deposited at 1:00 pm utc to turn into bitcoins in my wallet at 1:07 pm utc.. but whats up with the exchage rate? I just wanted to share my experiance with reddit about bitinstant so that everyone can make a more informed opinion about their service. If anyone has any information to prove that im an idiot, please share. i hope this is all an error on my own or on bitinstant part. edit: At this url... well this: "As regards bitcoin price: We will honour the price from the time your order was placed - but we will usually do so by sending you the difference manually with a fee refund after dealing with delayed orders. Since price has recently dropped, it may in fact be in a lot of customer's interests to allow their orders to execute at current prices and this is what we would recommend." -April 11, 2013 | Gareth Nelson edit: added pm markers for utc time, I am in US central time
An extensive guide for cashing out bitcoin and cryptocurrencies into private banks
Hey guys. Merry Xmas ! I am coming back to you with a follow up post, as I have helped many people cash out this year and I have streamlined the process. After my original post, I received many requests to be more specific and provide more details. I thought that after the amazing rally we have been attending over the last few months, and the volatility of the last few days, it would be interesting to revisit more extensively. The attitude of banks around crypto is changing slowly, but it is still a tough stance. For the first partial cash out I operated around a year ago for a client, it took me months to find a bank. They wouldn’t want to even consider the case and we had to knock at each and every door. Despite all my contacts it was very difficult back in the days. This has changed now, and banks have started to open their doors, but there is a process, a set of best practices and codes one has to follow. I often get requests from crypto guys who are very privacy-oriented, and it takes me months to have them understand that I am bound by Swiss law on banking secrecy, and I am their ally in this onboarding process. It’s funny how I have to convince people that banks are legit, while on the other side, banks ask me to show that crypto millionaires are legit. I have a solid background in both banking and in crypto so I manage to make the bridge, but yeah sometimes it is tough to reconcile the two worlds. I am a crypto enthusiast myself and I can say that after years of work in the banking industry I have grown disillusioned towards banks as well, like many of you. Still an account in a Private bank is convenient and powerful. So let’s get started.
A. What is required to open an account in a Private bank when you made your fortune through crypto.
There are two different aspects to your onboarding in a Swiss Private bank, compliance-wise. *The origin of your crypto wealth *Your background (residence, citizenship and probity) These two aspects must be documented in-depth. How to document your crypto wealth. Each new crypto millionaire has a different story. I may detail a few fun stories later in this post, but at the end of the day, most of crypto rich I have met can be categorized within the following profiles: the miner, the early adopter, the trader, the corporate entity, the black market, the libertarian/OTC buyer. The real question is how you prove your wealth is legit. 1. Context around the original amount/investment Generally speaking, your first crypto purchase may not be documented. But the context around this acquisition can be. I have had many cases where the original amount was bought through Mtgox, and no proof of purchase could be provided, nor could be documented any Mtgox claim. That’s perfectly fine. At some point Mtgox amounted 70% of the bitcoin transactions globally, and people who bought there and managed to withdraw and keep hold of their bitcoins do not have any Mtgox claim. This is absolutely fine. However, if you can show me the record of a wire from your bank to Tisbane (Mtgox's parent company) it's a great way to start. Otherwise, what I am trying to document here is the following: I need context. If you made your first purchase by saving from summer jobs, show me a payroll. Even if it was USD 2k. If you acquired your first bitcoins from mining, show me the bills of your mining equipment from 2012 or if it was through a pool mine, give me your slushpool account ref for instance. If you were given bitcoin against a service you charged, show me an invoice. 2. Tracking your wealth until today and making sense of it. What I have been doing over the last few months was basically educating compliance officers. Thanks God, the blockchain is a global digital ledger! I have been telling my auditors and compliance officers they have the best tool at their disposal to lead a proper investigation. Whether you like it or not, your wealth can be tracked, from address to address. You may have thought all along this was a bad feature, but I am telling you, if you want to cash out, in the context of Private Banking onboarding, tracking your wealth through the block explorer is a boon. We can see the inflows, outflows. We can see the age behind an address. An early adopter who bought 1000 BTC in 2010, and let his bitcoin behind one address and held thus far is legit, whether or not he has a proof of purchase to show. That’s just common sense. My job is to explain that to the banks in a language they understand. Let’s have a look at a few examples and how to document the few profiles I mentioned earlier. The trader. I love traders. These are easy cases. I have a ton of respect for them. Being a trader myself in investment banks for a decade earlier in my career has taught me that controlling one’s emotions and having the discipline to impose oneself some proper risk management system is really really hard. Further, being able to avoid the exchange bankruptcy and hacks throughout crypto history is outstanding. It shows real survival instinct, or just plain blissed ignorance. In any cases traders at exchange are easy cases to corroborate since their whole track record is potentially available. Some traders I have met have automated their trading and have shown me more than 500k trades done over the span of 4 years. Obviously in this kind of scenario I don’t show everything to the bank to avoid information overload, and prefer to do some snacking here and there. My strategy is to show the early trades, the most profitable ones, explain the trading strategy and (partially expose) the situation as of now with id pages of the exchanges and current balance. Many traders have become insensitive to the risk of parking their crypto at exchange as they want to be able to trade or to grasp an occasion any minute, so they generally do not secure a substantial portion on the blockchain which tends to make me very nervous. The early adopter. Provided that he has not mixed his coin, the early adopter or “hodler” is not a difficult case either. Who cares how you bought your first 10k btc if you bought them below 3$ ? Even if you do not have a purchase proof, I would generally manage to find ways. We just have to corroborate the original 30’000 USD investment in this case. I mainly focus on three things here: *proof of early adoption I have managed to educate some banks on a few evidences specifically related to crypto markets. For instance with me, an old bitcointalk account can serve as a proof of early adoption. Even an old reddit post from a few years ago where you say how much you despise this Ripple premined scam can prove to be a treasure readily available to show you were early. *story telling Compliance officers like to know when, why and how. They are human being looking for simple answers to simple questions and they don’t want like to be played fool. Telling the truth, even without a proof can do wonders, and even though bluffing might still work because banks don’t fully understand bitcoin yet, it is a risky strategy that is less and less likely to pay off as they are getting more sophisticated by the day. *micro transaction from an old address you control This is the killer feature. Send a $20 worth transaction from an old address to my company wallet and to one of my partner bank’s wallet and you are all set ! This is gold and considered a very solid piece of evidence. You can also do a microtransaction to your own wallet, but banks generally prefer transfer to their own wallet. Patience with them please. they are still learning. *signature message Why do a micro transaction when you can sign a message and avoid potentially tainting your coins ? *ICO millionaire Some clients made their wealth participating in ETH crowdsale or IOTA ICO. They were very easy to deal with obviously and the account opening was very smooth since we could evidence the GENESIS TxHash flow. The miner Not so easy to proof the wealth is legit in that case. Most early miners never took screenshot of the blocks on bitcoin core, nor did they note down the block number of each block they mined. Until the the Slashdot article from August 2010 anyone could mine on his laptop, let his computer run overnight and wake up to a freshly minted block containing 50 bitcoins back in the days. Not many people were structured enough to store and secure these coins, avoid malwares while syncing the blockchain continuously, let alone document the mined blocks in the process. What was 50 BTC worth really for the early miners ? dust of dollars, games and magic cards… Even miners post 2010 are generally difficult to deal with in terms of compliance onboarding. Many pool mining are long dead. Deepbit is down for instance and the founders are MIA. So my strategy to proof mining activity is as follow: *Focusing on IT background whenever possible. An IT background does help a lot to bring some substance to the fact you had the technical ability to operate a mining rig. *Showing mining equipment receipts. If you mined on your own you must have bought the hardware to do so. For instance mining equipment receipts from butterfly lab from 2012-2013 could help document your case. Similarly, high electricity bill from your household on a consistent basis back in the day could help. I have already unlocked a tricky case in the past with such documents when the bank was doubtful. *Wallet.dat files with block mining transactions from 2011 thereafter This obviously is a fantastic piece of evidence for both you and me if you have an old wallet and if you control an address that received original mined blocks, (even if the wallet is now empty). I will make sure compliance officers understand what it means, and as for the early adopter, you can prove your control over these wallet through a microtransaction. With these kind of addresses, I can show on the block explorer the mined block rewards hitting at regular time interval, and I can even spot when difficulty level increased or when halvening process happened. *Poolmining account. Here again I have educated my partner bank to understand that a slush account opened in 2013 or an OnionTip presence was enough to corroborate mining activity. The block explorer then helps me to do the bridge with your current wallet. *Describing your set up and putting it in context In the history of mining we had CPU, GPU, FPG and ASICs mining. I will describe your technical set up and explain why and how your set up was competitive at that time. The corporate entity Remember 2012 when we were all convinced bitcoin would take over the world, and soon everyone would pay his coffee in bitcoin? How naïve we were to think transaction fees would remain low forever. I don’t blame bitcoin cash supporters; I once shared this dream as well. Remember when we thought global adoption was right around the corner and some brick and mortar would soon accept bitcoin transaction as a common mean of payment? Well, some shop actually did accept payment and held. I had a few cases as such of shops holders, who made it to the multi million mark holding and had invoices or receipts to proof the transactions. If you are organized enough to keep a record for these trades and are willing to cooperate for the documentation, you are making your life easy. The digital advertising business is also a big market for the bitcoin industry, and affiliates partner compensated in btc are common. It is good to show an invoice, it is better to show a contract. If you do not have a contract (which is common since all advertising deals are about ticking a check box on the website to accept terms and conditions), there are ways around that. If you are in that case, pm me. The black market Sorry guys, I can’t do much for you officially. Not that I am judging you. I am a libertarian myself. It’s just already very difficult to onboard legit btc adopters, so the black market is a market I cannot afford to consider. My company is regulated so KYC and compliance are key for me if I want to stay in business. Behind each case I push forward I am risking the credibility and reputation I have built over the years. So I am sorry guys I am not risking it to make an extra buck. Your best hope is that crypto will eventually take over the world and you won’t need to cash out anyway. Or go find a Lithuanian bank that is light on compliance and cooperative. The OTC buyer and the libertarian. Generally a very difficult case. If you bought your stack during your journey in Japan 5 years ago to a guy you never met again; or if you accumulated on https://localbitcoins.com/ and kept no record or lost your account, it is going to be difficult. Not impossible but difficult. We will try to build a case with everything else we have, and I may be able to onboard you. However I am risking a lot here so I need to be 100% confident you are legit, before I defend you. Come & see me in Geneva, and we will talk. I will run forensic services like elliptic, chainalysis, or scorechain on an extract of your wallet. If this scan does not raise too many red flags, then maybe we can work together ! If you mixed your coins all along your crypto history, and shredded your seeds because you were paranoid, or if you made your wealth mining professionally monero over the last 3 years but never opened an account at an exchange. ¯_(ツ)_/¯ I am not a magician and don’t get me wrong, I love monero, it’s not the point. Cashing out ICOs Private companies or foundations who have ran an ICO generally have a very hard time opening a bank account. The few banks that accept such projects would generally look at 4 criteria: *Seriousness of the project Extensive study of the whitepaper to limit the reputation risk *AML of the onboarding process ICOs 1.0 have no chance basically if a background check of the investors has not been conducted *Structure of the moral entity List of signatories, certificate of incumbency, work contract, premises... *Fiscal conformity Did the company informed the authorities and seek a fiscal ruling.
B. The tax issue I am not a tax specialist, but I can say that this year I have seen it all. Again I am not judging. You made $100m hodling, and still wouldn’t pay your taxes ? Your decision.I personally advise everyone to pay their taxes, but also to be generous, to give to charities. I mean you eventually made it. Good for you. What about you contribute to make the world a better place now? I will stop patronizing you. It’s just my 2cts, and it’s your money.
For the record, I am not into the tax avoidance business, so people come to me with a set up and I see if I can make it work within the legal framework imposed to me. First, stop thinking Switzerland is a “offshore heaven” Swiss banks have made deals with many governments for the exchange of fiscal information. If you are a French citizen, resident in France and want to open an account in a Private Bank in Switzerland to cash out your bitcoins, you will get slaughtered (>60%). There are ways around that, and I could refer you to good tax specialists for fiscal optimization, but I cannot organize it myself. It would be illegal for me. Swiss private banks makes it easy for you to keep a good your relation with your retail bank and continue paying your bills without headaches. They are integrated to SEPA, provide ebanking and credit cards. For information, these are the kind of set up some of my clients came up with. It’s all legal; obviously I do not onboard clients that are not tax compliant. Further disclaimer: I did not contribute myself to these set up. Do not ask me to organize it for you. I won’t. EU tricks Swiss lump sum taxation Foreign nationals resident in Switzerland can be taxed on a lump-sum basis if they are not gainfully employed in our country. Under the lump-sum tax regime, foreign nationals taking residence in Switzerland may choose to pay an expense-based tax instead of ordinary income and wealth tax. Attractive cantons for the lump sum taxation are Zug, Vaud, Valais, Grisons, Lucerne and Berne. To make it short, you will be paying somewhere between 200 and 400k a year and all expenses will be deductible. Switzerland has adopted a very friendly attitude towards crypto currency in general. There is a whole crypto valley in Zug now. 30% of ICOs are operated in Switzerland. The reason is that Switzerland has thrived for centuries on banking secrecy, and today with FATCA and exchange of fiscal info with EU, banking secrecy is dead. Regulators in Switzerland have understood that digital ledger technologies were a way to roll over this competitive advantage for the generations to come. Switzerland does not tax capital gains on crypto profits. The Finma has a very pragmatic approach. They have issued guidance- updated guidelines here. They let the business get organized and operate their analysis on a case per case basis. Only after getting a deep understanding of the market will they issue a global fintech license in 2019. This approach is much more realistic than legislations which try to regulate everything beforehand. Italy new tax exemption. It’s a brand new fiscal exemption. Go to Aoste, get residency and you could be taxed a 100k/year for 10years. Yes, really. Portugal What’s crazy in Europe is the lack of fiscal harmonization. Even if no one in Brussels dares admit it, every other country is doing fiscal dumping. Portugal is such a country and has proved very friendly fiscally speaking. I personally have a hard time trusting Europe. I have witnessed what happened in Greece over the last few years. Some of our ultra high net worth clients got stuck with capital controls. I mean no way you got out of crypto to have your funds confiscated at the next financial crisis! Anyway. FYI Malta Generally speaking, if you get a residence somewhere you have to live there for a certain period of time. Being stuck in Italy is no big deal with Schengen Agreement, but in Malta it is a different story. In Malta, the ordinary residence scheme is more attractive than the HNWI residence scheme. Being an individual, you can hold a residence permit under this scheme and pay zero income tax in Malta in a completely legal way. Monaco Not suitable for French citizens, but for other Ultra High Net worth individual, Monaco is worth considering. You need an account at a local bank as a proof of fortune, and this account generally has to be seeded with at least EUR500k. You also need a proof of residence. I do mean UHNI because if you don’t cash out minimum 30m it’s not interesting. Everything is expensive in Monaco. Real Estate is EUR 50k per square meter. A breakfast at Monte Carlo Bay hotel is 70 EUR. Monaco is sunny but sometimes it feels like a golden jail. Do you really want that for your kids? Dubaï
Set up a company in Dubaï, get your resident card.
Spend one day every 6 month there
Be tax free
US tricks Some Private banks in Geneva do have the license to manage the assets of US persons and U.S citizens. However, do not think it is a way to avoid paying taxes in the US. Opening an account at an authorized Swiss Private banks is literally the same tax-wise as opening an account at Fidelity or at Bank of America in the US. The only difference is that you will avoid all the horror stories. Horror stories are all real by the way. In Switzerland, if you build a decent case and answer all the questions and corroborate your case in depth, you will manage to convince compliance officers beforehand. When the money eventually hits your account, it is actually available and not frozen. The IRS and FATCA require to file FBAR if an offshore account is open. However FBAR is a reporting requirement and does not have taxes related to holding an account outside the US. The taxes would be the same if the account was in the US. However penalties for non compliance with FBAR are very large. The tax liability management is actually performed through the management of the assets ( for exemple by maximizing long term capital gains and minimizing short term gains). The case for Porto Rico. Full disclaimer here. I am not encouraging this. Have not collaborated on such tax avoidance schemes. if you are interested I strongly encourage you to seek a tax advisor and get a legal opinion. I am not responsible for anything written below. I am not going to say much because I am so afraid of uncle Sam that I prefer to humbly pass the hot potato to pwc From here all it takes is a good advisor and some creativity to be tax free on your crypto wealth if you are a US person apparently. Please, please please don’t ask me more. And read the disclaimer again. Trust tricks Generally speaking I do not accept fringe fiscal situation because it puts me in a difficult situation to the banks I work with, and it is already difficult enough to defend a legit crypto case. Trust might be a way to optimize your fiscal situation. Belize. Bahamas. Seychelles. Panama, You name it. At the end of the day, what matters for Swiss Banks are the beneficial owner and the settlor. Get a legal opinion, get it done, and when you eventually knock at a private bank’s door, don’t say it was for fiscal avoidance you stupid ! You will get the door smashed upon you. Be smarter. It will work. My advice is just to have it done by a great tax specialist lawyer, even if it costs you some money, as the entity itself needs to be structured in a professional way. Remember that with trust you are dispossessing yourself off your wealth. Not something to be taken lightly. “Anonymous” cash out. Right. I think I am not going into this topic, neither expose the ways to get it done. Pm me for details. I already feel a bit uncomfortable with all the info I have provided. I am just going to mention many people fear that crypto exchange might become reporting entities soon, and rightly so. This might happen anyday. You have been warned. FYI, this only works for non-US and large cash out. The difference between traders an investors. Danmark, Holland and Germany all make a huge difference if you are a passive investor or if you are a trader. ICO is considered investing for instance and is not taxed, while trading might be considered as income and charged aggressively. I would try my best to protect you and put a focus on your investor profile whenever possible, so you don't have to pay 52% tax if you do not have to :D
C. The cash out itself So you have accumulated patiently a good amount of wealth. For some of us who have been involved in crypto since 2010, it took years. Remember when BTC was stuck at 200$ for months? I personally feel like it was yesterday. There is no way you screw up your wealth by cashing out in a hurry or with low security standards. Here is how the cash out takes should place.
Full cash out or partial cash out? People who have been sitting on crypto for long have grown an emotional and irrational link with their coins. They come to me and say, look, I have 50m in crypto but I would like to cash out 500k only. So first let me tell you that as a wealth manager my advice to you is to take some off the table. Doing a partial cash out is absolutely fine. The market is bullish. We are witnessing a redistribution of wealth at a global scale. Bitcoin is the real #occupywallstreet, and every one will discuss crypto at Xmas eve which will make the market even more supportive beginning 2018, especially with all hedge funds entering the scene. If you want to stay exposed to bitcoin and altcoins, and believe these techs will change the world, it’s just natural you want to keep some coins. In the meantime, if you have lived off pizzas over the last years, and have the means to now buy yourself an nice house and have an account at a private bank, then f***ing do it mate ! Buy physical gold with this account, buy real estate, have some cash at hands. Even though US dollar is worthless to your eyes, it’s good and convenient to have some. Also remember your wife deserves it ! And if you have no wife yet and you are socially awkward like the rest of us, then maybe cashing out partially will help your situation ;) What the Private Banks expect. Joke aside, it is important you understand something. If you come around in Zurich to open a bank account and partially cash out, just don’t expect Private Banks will make an exception for you if you are small. You can’t ask them to facilitate your cash out, buy a 1m apartment with the proceeds of the sale, and not leave anything on your current account. It won’t work. Sadly, under 5m you are considered small in private banking. The bank is ok to let you open an account, provided that your kyc and compliance file are validated, but they will also want you to become a client and leave some money there to invest. This might me despicable, but I am just explaining you their rules. If you want to cash out, you should sell enough to be comfortable and have some left. Also expect the account opening to last at least 3-4 week if everything goes well. You can't just open an account overnight. The cash out logistics. Cashing out 1m USD a day in bitcoin or more is not so hard. Let me just tell you this: Even if you get a Tier 4 account with Kraken and ask Alejandro there to raise your limit over $100k per day, Even if you have a bitfinex account and you are willing to expose your wealth there, Even if you have managed to pass all the crazy due diligence at Bitstamp, The amount should be fractioned to avoid risking your full wealth on exchange and getting slaughtered on the price by trading big quantities. Cashing out involves significant risks at all time. There is a security risk of compromising your keys, a counterparty risk, a fat finger risk. Let it be done by professionals. It is worth every single penny. Most importantly, there is a major difference between trading on an exchange and trading OTC. Even though it’s not publicly disclosed some exchange like Kraken do have OTC desks. Trading on an exchange for a large amount will weight on the prices. Bitcoin is a thin market. In my opinion over 30% of the coins are lost in translation forever. Selling $10m on an exchange in a day can weight on the prices more than you’d think. And if you trade on a exchange, everything is shown on record, and you might wipe out the prices because on exchanges like bitstamp or kraken ultimately your counterparties are retail investors and the market depth is not huge. It is a bit better on Bitfinex. It is way better to trade OTC. Accessing the institutional OTC market is not easy, and that is also the reason why you should ask a regulated financial intermediary if we are talking about huge amounts. Last point, always chose EUR as opposed to USD. EU correspondent banks won’t generally block institutional amounts. However we had the cases of USD funds frozen or delayed by weeks. Most well-known OTC desks are Cumberlandmining (ask for Lucas), Genesis (ask for Martin), Bitcoin Suisse AG (ask for Niklas), circletrade, B2C2, or Altcoinomy (ask for Olivier) Very very large whales can also set up escrow accounts for massive block trades. This world, where blocks over 30k BTC are exchanged between 2 parties would deserve a reddit thread of its own. Crazyness all around. Your options: DIY or going through a regulated financial intermediary. Execution trading is a job in itself. You have to be patient, be careful not to wipe out the order book and place limit orders, monitor the market intraday for spikes or opportunities. At big levels, for a large cash out that may take weeks, these kind of details will save you hundred thousands of dollars. I understand crypto holders are suspicious and may prefer to do it by themselves, but there are regulated entities who now offer the services. Besides, being a crypto millionaire is not a guarantee you will get institutional daily withdrawal limits at exchange. You might, but it will take you another round of KYC with them, and surprisingly this round might be even more aggressive that the ones at Private banks since exchange have gone under intense scrutiny by regulators lately. The fees for cashing out through a regulated financial intermediary to help you with your cash out should be around 1-2% flat on the nominal, not more. And for this price you should get the full package: execution/monitoring of the trades AND onboarding in a private bank. If you are asked more, you are being abused. Of course, you also have the option to do it yourself. It is a way more tedious and risky process. Compliance with the exchange, compliance with the private bank, trading BTC/fiat, monitoring the transfers…You will save some money but it will take you some time and stress. Further, if you approach a private bank directly, it will trigger a series of red flag to the banks. As I said in my previous post, they call a direct approach a “walk-in”. They will be more suspicious than if you were introduced by someone and won’t hesitate to show you high fees and load your portfolio with in-house products that earn more money to the banks than to you. Remember also most banks still do not understand crypto so you will have a lot of explanations to provide and you will have to start form scratch with them! The paradox of crypto millionaires Most of my clients who made their wealth through crypto all took massive amount of risks to end up where they are. However, most of them want their bank account to be managed with a low volatility fixed income capital preservation risk profile. This is a paradox I have a hard time to explain and I think it is mainly due to the fact that most are distrustful towards banks and financial markets in general. Many clients who have sold their crypto also have a cash-out blues in the first few months. This is a classic situation. The emotions involved in hodling for so long, the relief that everything has eventually gone well, the life-changing dynamics, the difficulties to find a new motivation in life…All these elements may trigger a post cash-out depression. It is another paradox of the crypto rich who has every card in his hand to be happy, but often feel a bit sad and lonely. Sometimes, even though it’s not my job, I had to do some psychological support. A lot of clients have also become my friends, because we have the same age and went through the same “ordeal”. First world problem I know… Remember, cashing out is not the end. It’s actually the beginning. Don’t look back, don’t regret. Cash out partially, because it does not make sense to cash out in full, regret it and want back in. relax. The race to cash out crypto billionaire and the concept of late exiter. The Winklevoss brothers are obviously the first of a series. There will be crypto billionaires. Many of them. At a certain level you can have a whole family office working for you to manage your assets and take care of your needs . However, let me tell you it’s is not because you made it so big that you should think you are a genius and know everything better than anyone. You should hire professionals to help you. Managing assets require some education around the investment vehicles and risk management strategies. Sorry guys but with all the respect I have for wallstreebet, AMD and YOLO stock picking, some discipline is necessary. The investors who have made money through crypto are generally early adopters. However I have started to see another profile popping up. They are not early adopters. They are late exiters. It is another way but just as efficient. Last week I met the first crypto millionaire I know who first bough bitcoin over 1000$. 55k invested at the beginning of this year. Late adopter & late exiter is a route that can lead to the million. Last remarks. I know banks, bankers, and FIAT currencies are so last century. I know some of you despise them and would like to have them burn to the ground. With compliance officers taking over the business, I would like to start the fire myself sometimes. I hope this extensive guide has helped some of you. I am around if you need more details. I love my job despite all my frustration towards the banking industry because it makes me meet interesting people on a daily basis. I am a crypto enthusiast myself, and I do think this tech is here to stay and will change the world. Banks will have to adapt big time. Things have started to change already; they understand the threat is real. I can feel the generational gap in Geneva, with all these old bankers who don’t get what’s going on. They glaze at the bitcoin chart on CNBC in disbelief and they start to get it. This bitcoin thing is not a joke. Deep inside, as an early adopter who also intends to be a late exiter, as a libertarian myself, it makes me smile with satisfaction. Cheers. @swisspb on telegram
Why do Bitcoin exchanges rely on flaky internet services like Dowalla rather than using the banking system and Western Union like services?
Seeing posts around here and on Bitcointalk.org about how it takes ages to clear payments to bitcoin exchanges, I can't help but wonder, why are bitcoin businesses are trying so hard to do it the wrong way when we have perfectly good ways of channeling money across the world with regular bank transfers and Western Union like services? With most western union services out there transactions are cleared in 24 hours or less. With a bank transfer (wire) it usually takes 24-48 hours to clear, than why are we using and relying on something as problematic as Dwolla? EDIT: Based on the comments and some my own research, I came to a realization that a new type of exchange is needed. Read more on bitcointalk.org
Hello, I'm looking to get started with using Bitcoin. I run online tournaments and I wish to be able to send players prize money via bitcoin because PayPal and regular banks have frozen or stolen my money on multiple times. I also need to be able to keep money as bitcoins for future trading, but some of it I may need to convert back to USD. I am based in the United States. From what I've been able to read, I should be able to use MtGox + a digital wallet to send money? Or can I send money from MtGox? I also read about the ability to do quick bank transfers using Coinbase, but I'm worried about the US Government freezing or taxing these assets in the future. I hope these questions make sense. I am a complete noob. -RommelTJ.
Hi, so i have been following bitcoins for the past few months and have been fascinated by them. I have read countless articles about them and i think i have made my decision about what i think of them, and i think i have finally come round to the idea of bitcoin. The next question for me is how to buy them. Would anyone be able to help me buy m first bitcoin? I messaged the reddit tip bot and traded in my karma so i could see how wallets and transferring works. I then made a wallet and transferred all 0.0001 of my bitcoins to to it :) I am now looking for a way to buy bitcoins from the UK, i read on here that bitbargain is a good place to buy them but the prices seem quite high. Mtgox seems to be the biggest but even after looking on its faq i am still a bit puzzled by it. Are there any other reliable sites? How long after asking to buy bitcoins on Mtgox should i expect to wait for the bitcoins to arrive? I have been looking around to find the answers to these questions for myself but if someone could clarify this for me i would be very grateful :) Thanks a lot (what sort of price should i be expecting to pay, where and how do you all buy from?) Edit: Thank you all very much for your replies, they are a huge help and very informative, i will let you know when i have my first coin :)
Warning: Verified MtGox Account Locked - No Answers!
I've been using this account for over a year now. Apart from the more publicized problems they've had, things have been relatively smooth since I got it verified (which was a pain in the ass, btw). On Monday I tried to withdraw $600 via Dwolla and it never went through. Despite numerous emails trying to get some details, all I get from support is "we'll keep you updated" Can we please, as a community, move away from this too-big-for-its- britches exchange and get volume going on the other exchanges? Bitfloor was great before the hack, Campbx has always treated me well but has poor rates/spreads, Bitme seems like it has potential. I'm seriously fed-up the lack of care or transparency at Mt.Gox. (edit) My transaction status has gone from "Confirmed" to "Todo" and people are telling me that MtGox regularly has problems processing Dwolla transactions. I don't have any problem with this as much as the complete lack of communication from MtGox on the matter. It's one thing to have unprofessional, week-long delays of funds, its another to refuse to acknowledge it.
October, 2011 was when I first heard about Bitcoin. A friend excitedly told me about it, that the price had crashed, that it could be 'mined', and that it could be purchased on exchanges. He didn't own any, but he found it interesting, and so did I. I was instantly interested in acquiring some coins. That the price had 'crashed' meant a buying opportunity, and I further saw it as evidence that the system was somehow free, and had a life of its own. I did not purchase any right away, regretfully, since the coins were about $3 each. I did do some initial research, calculating mining profitability, and looking into the process for buying coins on MtGox. I also read about the thefts and hacks. I found it intuitive these incidents were matters of endpoint-security, and not reflective of a systemic weakness. Yet I would have much to learn if I was to avoid becoming a victim. I continued to casually follow Bitcoin developments, and occasionally checked the price. Eight months later I came across a Timothy B. Lee article in Forbes that detailed the Bitcoin Richlist. It was my catalyst. It was time for a technical deep dive, time to understand what gave people the confidence to entrust millions of dollars of value to the system. Of everything I read that day, it wasn't the proof-of-work that seemed revolutionary, but simply the fact that a lost private key meant the coins would be irrecoverable. That signified Bitcoin put true and total control of money into the hands of users, and for that it was different and worthwhile. I decided to invest. All that was left was working out the mechanics of the transaction. And security. I was determined to not fall victim to a hack. An offline, paper wallet seemed like the easy choice. The price was in the $6 - $7 range. My first purchase went though MoneyGram and Coinapult, with MtGox as my receiving wallet. I put in $150, and got out $130 worth of coins. The price had surged in the few days since I decided to buy, to slightly under $10 per coin. I transferred the coins off of MtGox and onto my paper wallet, and it all felt very real! I wanted to buy more, and settled on CoinFloor to avoid the hefty fees I paid the first time. CoinFloor also allowed for instant fiat funding via a deposit at a bank teller window. Depositing $900 directly into a bank account was not without risk, but CoinFloor came through and the money was credited within 5 minutes. It all went flawlessly, and soon with my 100 coins spread out over a few different paper wallets, I could rest easy, without fear of a hack. Edit - I meant BitFloor, not CoinFloor I occasionally checked the price, tested out Satoshi Dice, and read a little more on the technical underpinnings, but other than that, I mostly forgot about my Bitcoin investment for the next 6 months. Then, in early 2013, I read about a few seed rounds in Bitcoin startups, and I saw pictures of a Bitcoin booth at the CES is Las Vegas. Somehow that booth, with the Bitcoin logo, made it all seem even more legitimate. The price had climbed into the $14 - $15 range, and I wanted more coin. CoinFloor had been hacked and was out of commission. This time I would use the Dwolla to MtGox method of funding. I found myself seriously regretting not having done Gox's verification the previous summer, as the price quickly climbed while I waited. When my verification finally cleared, the price had shot up to $19, and I transferred in several thousand dollars and bought another ~150 coins. Over the next few months I kept buying until the price crossed $100 per coin. In total, I had put in about $10,000 for 340 coins. I worked part-time, with an annual income of about $25,000, so that $10,000 felt substantial. The rise to $266 was exhilarating, as was the following surge to $1242. I mostly held, but sometimes tried to time the market with a small position (always 10% of holdings or less). I sold some coins the first time Bitcoin passed the $400 mark to recoup my initial investment, and I arbitraged when it was profitable. I lost a then-painful amount of fiat on MtGox, but not any coins. I held tight during the long bear market, with absolute confidence that the price would find a non-zero bottom, and it would only be up from there. The ecosystem was growing, the technology was maturing, and investment money was pouring in, and yet the price continued to decline. I would have loved to buy more, but doing so would have been truly irresponsible from a diversification perspective. I have largely stayed away alt-coins, but I did mine-and-dump those I found annoying, and mined and held the one that I found interesting - Ethereum. I reluctantly pushed some BTC into Ethereum early this year, which turned out to be a good move. In total, over the past 5 years, I have returned about 200x on my initial investment, in the current form of about 250 BTC, about 700 ETH and approximately $300k of other liquid assets. The result is almost identical to a pure buy-and-hold from the beginning, but I felt the need to hedge as valuations changed over time. I feel no pressure to sell more coins, though I probably would convert a few in the $20k-$40k range, prices which I have long seen as likely, if not inevitable. I am in my early 30's. Ask Me Anything! Though I might only have time to answer a few…
Is Vault of Satoshi sufficient for experiencing daytrading? What is the process of removing funds from VOS?
Hello, I'm currently in the research phase for a thesis concerning Bitcoin. I am trying to experience all facets of the currency. I would like to day trade and am drawn to both VOS and Mt.Gox. Ultimately I would like to remove the funds from either of these exchanges after a week or so to use for other means, so I am curious what the process is and how difficult it might be to remove either coins or CAD? Info for both scenarios/currencies would be appreciated.
Well, I just transferred $1000 AUD and received $987.38, which seems to correspond with a 1000 Yen receiving fee. Transfer was made mid morning Friday via HSBC and I had the funds by COB Tuesday, but apparently there was some delay because my account was not verified so they couldn't release the funds. I want to transfer some money from Dwolla to MtGox however I've noticed that MtGox's Dwolla account isn't working. I've tried transferring using BitInstant to my MtGox account directly and that works fine, however BitInstant takes 3.99% of the amount I'm transferring as a fee which is pretty big when you start moving larger amounts. MtGox intl wire transfer. There's a 2000 yen service fee, but I have no idea how to figure out intermediate bank fees. Are these fees usually a flat rate or a % charge? Rebuy bitcoins and immediately sell on coinbase. Roughly 1.5% fee since my trading fee on mtgox is 0.5, and coinbase takes 1.0%. Trade bitcoins to campbx, sell and transfer to ... Howdy, I've not used mtgox before but i transferred over some bitcoins to it and sold them. I was wondering how you guys get your money out? I... The total amount of Bitcoins lost in the hack by customers is 850,000 bitcoins ($7.86 billion at the current price). Hence, there is a prolonging disagreement among the customers related to the amount and kind (bank transfer or BTC) of transfer of the approx $2 billion left in the hands of the Trustee.
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